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When I push hard in a Stud game (Stud, Stud 8, Razz) I usually have a better starting hand than anyone else. I rarely over call raises and re-raises without something extremely strong. So any player who is paying attention would be able to read me easily and get out, instead of giving up all of his chips. Players who over call in Stud games, during a tourney, when even the chip leaders can’t get through more than one hand, are making huge mistakes.I remember one key hand where a player over called two bets cold on 3rd in Razz with a JACK showing. I don’t think I have to explain why this is bad poker.
I was thinking about going through the hand history. If anyone would like to hear my analysis, I’ll be happy to post it here. Just remember, though, my observations will always be coming from a conservative, tight background.
“With the amount of chips you had, it really wasn’t that horrible. I mean, neither of us (the original bettors) had enough chips to get through even one hand, so cold calling with position on us, hoping that you catch good and we catch bad, isn’t really all that horrible.”
I wouldn’t suggest it in a cash game, and I certainly wouldn’t suggest it if you are out of position, have few chips or are up against players who have a ton of chips, like yourself, but it wasn’t totally horrific, even though I’m having a great time teasing you about it!
My own play is way too tight and predictable. Therein lies my difficulty in big tourneys. By bullying a big stack, players like you can take a chance to knock out competition you don’t want without much risk, which is just what happened during my last hand :)
My Mom was a poker dealer, and taught me how to play. Over and over again she would say, “Play super tight, play pat hands, don’t play dead cards!”
So when I went to a cardroom for the first time, I followed that advice (naturally this was when Stud was the big game). I won. I just kept winning after that, so my mentality developed into a “tight is always right” way of thinking.
Boy, was I wrong when I started playing in the bigger games and tourneys! You just can’t play tight in a 1k tourney when you don’t get many hands per level and the structure is fast. I was slaughtered!
So here I am, back at step one, trying to play a few more hands. Drawing for straight and flushes in a Stud tourney is like committing hari kari to me. Playing a nine in Razz is akin to vomiting up bad food. It’s hard for me to do.
Or even ask Andy Bloch. Last year at the WSOP, we were playing at the same table in the Stud 8 event. Now, if Andy plays tight, well, I’m a boulder, lol.
Anyway, I completed on one hand with Q6/Q, in late position, as the first into the pot. Andy defended. I put him on a low draw, which is natural, but probably my first mistake.
I won’t go through the whole hand, but I ended up catching club after club, and made a flush on sixth. Andy could see my whole hand and knew exactly where I was at, whereas he was catching low cards and I had him on a low draw. Boy, was I shocked when he ended up making quads fives on the river! Sure, it was pretty hidden, but dang! I was out not long after that, haha!
I’m probably not the best person to ask. Ray Zee, however, has an excellent article on the stages of a successful poker player. If I can find it online, I’ll post a link to it.
Since I never went through his Stage One, I’ve had a different learning curve. Stage One is something like that loose, drunken monkey poker, where you play every hand, and your variance is outstanding.
Anyway, I will say that Stud games and Flop games are so totally different in approach. In a Stud game, deciding whether or not to play a hand is key. One shouldn’t get involved in many hands, yet it is correct to chase further down the road due to the five rounds of betting and having such great odds. A flop game is usually exactly the opposite. Many more hands can be played up front, but if the flop doesn’t fit, should be thrown away early. Even in today’s loose and crazy games, it’s not always correct to chase a gutshot, especially if not to the nut straight.
So that has also been a thorn in my side. I don’t play enough hands in HE, but sometimes I chase too far, oy!
Regarding a dealer mucking an unprotective hand (or sometimes even one that IS protected):
“Everyone has been in your shoes, everyone has experienced this, and that is why we are so anal and protective of our hand.”
Glenn’s hand got mucked once, now he is so overly cautious that one time a dealer had to literally pry the cards out from under his pressed down fingers.
El Diablo has said many times that he does not surrender the cards, period, until he has the pot.
I take the stance of not giving up the cards until they wrench them out of my cold, dead fingers unless the pot is in front of me.
This is because of past experience, not because we are so bright
In today’s poker world, the dealer does less and less for us, and we must protect ourselves more and more. Many of us didn’t realize just how good we had it until the poker boom. Looking at my watch and seeing 14 minutes go by during ONE O8 hand was a real wake up call. I certainly hadn’t realized just how much I took for granted the pre-2002 poker boom dealers. Not that it was ever their job to protect us, but they surely did!
As an even more absurd example (to make you feel better, I hope), Commerce has instituted a policy about cards going off the table. I believe this was patterned after the Bike’s policy, which began last summer (someone please correct me if I’m wrong, because I’m not from LA).
Anyway, the rule in tourneys is that if a card goes off the table, the player pays the penalty. It doesn’t matter if the dealer pitches the card off the table, it doesn’t matter if it hits your finger then goes sliding off. The TD knows that it is not your fault in any way, shape or form, but you still get a 20 minute penalty.
Supposedly this rule was put into effect because of angle shooting at the Bike and in LA in general (again, correct me if I’m wrong here).
While I won’t go into the whole angle shooting scheme, I really do have a point, lol.
Anyway, The Hendon Mob posted a story about how two players got into a fight at Commerce. Cursing, arguing, rolling around on the floor, etc. They each got a 15 minute penalty. Barny, however, had a hand where the dealer pitched the card off the table. He got a 20 minute penalty, lol.
Hmmm, two guys fighting, F– word being slung back and forth, rolling around on the ground…15 minutes. Barny has a dealer who pitches a card off the table which Barny never touched…20 minutes…
Boy, has poker changed in past years!